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2018 Notes

1-31-18, Parminder, Afternoon, Baker Letter, part 2

- Question re. the 2520:

- The 2520 represents all the pagan, anti-God religions that have ruled over God’s people, or “the daily”.

- The 2520 is a time prophecy based on the “covenant” of the Sabbaths-of-the-land  law in Lev. 25-26.

- The 2520 also connects this Movement to the Two Charts (1843 & 1850), which are a fulfillment of Hab. 2, and Habakkuk was a prophet during the reign of the “last 4 kings of Israel” (Manasseh, Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, Zedekiah, are intended even though there were actually 7 kings [7 Thunders]).

- We do not use the Grammatical/Critical or Historical/Critical method of Bible study in this Movement (though we do use grammar and history), but rather “line-upon-line” or “proof-texting”.

- The end of the two 2520-yr. prophecies bracket 1798 > 1844, and so do the “last 4 kings”, and also Habakkuk’s 2520 vision from 677 BC > 1844.

- The “2520” from 1798 (TOE) to 1844 (COP) contains both the “scattering” of the Protestants (who join with “the daily”), at the same time as the “gathering” of the Millerites.

- The “2520” from 1989 (TOE) to the SL (COP) contains both the “scattering” of those who reject the 2520 since 9/11 (who join with “the daily”), at the same time as the “gathering” of those who accept the 2520 since 9/11.

- Critics claim that since this Movement recognizes that the SDA Church is afflicted/compromised with Babylonish teachings, which we must expose, that we are accusing the SDA Church of being Babylon.

- Baker Letter, part 2 (13MR 14), children inherit disobedience, guilt and death. Genesis & Exodus speak of natural children, but the apostle Paul uses those texts in a symbolic “spiritual” meaning to apply to his day, and we do the same also, however now we get accused of “changing Scripture”.

- Class discusses MT 13 (wheat & tares), observing facts and making judgments, and the role of a prophet (Jer. 15:19). Are the servants who see the tares “prophets”? “Investigation” is the process of forming an opinion. Judgments are made, but are not “executed”.

- A plain reading of the text of MT 13 gives an opinion that differs from the application EGW made of the text to her own time, which is the time of the Laodicean church, like Paul made application of Bible texts to his own time.

- Therefore the “Omega” people, our former brethren, accuse us of disregarding EGW when we apply the parable according to the plain reading of the text.

- Back to Adam in Gen. 3:15; he was restored and received the gift of the Holy Spirit, but he could not pass that on to his sons (only his lower nature). They were born without the Holy Spirit and therefore had to receive the Holy Spirit themselves as their own personal gift of God. (God has no “grand-children” only children.)

- Cain & Abel were born with Adam’s disobedience and sentence of death latent in them, but were not actually guilty of anything until they actually committed some kind of act of disobedience.

- Class struggles with the ideas of “original sin” (without naming it), and “grace”, and considers Ps. 1:1, where the “ungodly” are “sinners” because of their personal choice to be “scornful” of God, and the “blessed” man in v.1 is the same as the “righteous” in v.6, also because of his personal choice.

- Parminder admits the question has no straightforward answer, but Miller’s Rule of “repeat & enlarge” helps us to get rid of many of our preconceived ideas.

 

1-31-18, Parminder, Captivity

- Review of the previous class: Anyone who stands at the sacred desk to teach God’s truth is God’s prophet. There is a tendency in both the SDA GC and Independents to put the events connected with the COP farther off into the future. The 2520 is about “the daily” oppression of God’s people by paganism (which is being rejected by some who claim to be part of this Present Truth Movement even though they don’t admit it plainly).

- The 2520 shows the “scattering” of “literal” Israel into the world, and the “gathering” of “spiritual” Israel, or the “Nethinim”, out of the world at the end of the world (the “Joining of the Two Sticks” study).

- Parminder suggests that a good basic knowledge of the traditional understanding of the 2300 yr. prophecy would save us from unwittingly denying the 2520, and leads the class to examine the points of the 2300 yr. prophecy.

- In Dan. 8:13 it is first paganism “the daily” (transgression) ending in 538 AD, and then the papal “transgression of desolation” ending in 1798 to oppress God’s people “tread down the host”, and in Dan. 9:26 it is pagan Rome’s “people of the prince” in 70 AD, and then the papal “flood” ending in 1798, but Dan. 8:13 includes the “treading down of the Sanctuary” until 1844.

- Parminder asks the class why the 2300 can not be the “mareh” vision.

- The 2520, 2300 & 1335 are all “links in the chain of truth”. The 1335 ended in Apr. 1844, parallel to 9/11 on our Reformline, and the 2520 & 2300 ended on Oct. 1844, parallel to MN/SL/COP on our Reformline, and all have to do with the captivity of God’s people in Babylon. God’s people were taken captive by literal Babylon in 677 BC and God’s present-day people are in captive to “spiritual” Babylon today and actually Medo-Persia and Greece qualify as aspects of “Babylon” all the way through the prophecy because they all are “the King of the North” and “the daily” in Dan. 11.

- Rev. 17, the woman/Babylon “sits on the heads” of all of the kingdoms of Bible prophecy starting with literal Babylon and ending with the U.N. as “spiritual Global Babylon”. She is the “perpetual” or “the daily”.

- Those who came out of “Babylon” at the TOE in 1798 went from Europe to the USA “Glorious Land” to another TOE in 1844 (every time prophecy has its own “TOE”). The parallel is Cyrus’ decree for God’s people to leave Babylon and go to the “Glorious Land”.

 

 

1-30-18, Parminder, Afternoon, Baker Letter, part 1, 13MR 14 (1895)

- This class is an exercise to illustrate how people get different understandings of what we read.

- EGW had “public visions” for 40 years (1844 – 1884) and afterward had private “night-season” visions.

- The Bakers are discouraged because of apparent lack of success in their evangelism efforts.

- The “mother” is someone Sister Baker has touched, who will then pass her knowledge on to her children.

- It is more important to train one person thoroughly in the truth, than do shallow work with many people.

- Many people have left this Present Truth Movement with lots of knowledge, but not knowing the “Truth”.

- Class discusses how we “inherit” “disobedience, guilt & death” from Adam, and just what “inheritance” means.

- Adam was created “dead” from the ground then the Holy Spirit made him alive (compare Eze. 37, where the “church” is “dead bones” as Eve was a “dead bone” but is made alive by the Spirit of God).

- After his sin Adam still had physical breath but no Holy Spirit “breath”, and he received “guilt feelings” based on his new knowledge.

- Phineas Gage lost control of his brain frontal lobes and also lost any sense of guilt or conscience. Very young children also have no working conscience.

- Gen. 3:15, the “seed”. Who is the “seed” referring to? We are accused of “manipulating” (interpreting) Bible & EGW statements, but we are allowed to do so on the basis of the use of “seed” in the Bible.

- In Gen. 13:16, 22:17, 26:4, 28:14, 32:12, Ex. 32:13 the “seed” means “children”, but in Gal. 3:16 & 29 Paul interprets “seed” differently, as he often does with other OT words. Rather than citing Gen. 3:15 he refers to the promise re. Abraham’s “seed”. Why or how? By the Holy Spirit and faith.

 

 

1-30-18, Parminder, Introduction

- The study of “fractals” gave us light that there are “Priests”, “Levites” and “Nethinim”, but this idea is under attack presently.

- To focus on the end of the 2300 year prophecy rather than the beginning and duration of it is a mistake the “Omega” group is making.

- Some of the main themes of imagery in the Bible are construction, marriage and agriculture.

- As the foundation and central pillar of Adventism, the theme of the 2300 years is judgment, first on the “church” and then on the “world”, and by using Sanctuary imagery the “church” is further divided into “Priests” & “Levites” and the “world” is designated “Nethinim”, Ezra 8:15, 20.

- If you get too emotionally involved in a situation you lose objectivity and the ability to observe and weigh pros & cons impartially, as is happening now with some people.

- An artificial distinction and even conflict is being made between the use of “prophetic Lines” and Inspiration, but the “Lines” help us to properly locate the inspired statements in order.

- “Fractals” are easily seen in Rev. 14:6-11 where the 1st Angel’s message has elements of the other two in it.

- The focus of last Trimester’s study was the “nature of man” which is also the “nature of sin”, and the 2300 years is about God’s dealing with man’s sin, Christ’s righteousness and God’s judgment to come.

- (Even though they will deny it) in order to focus on the END of the 2300 years rather than the events at the BEGINNING of the 2300 years, the “Omega” group has had to go back to the “new view” of “the daily” in Daniel (which is that “the daily” is Christ’s heavenly sanctuary ministry that was “taken away” by the papacy), instead of the SDA pioneer “old view” of “the daily” which holds that it is the daily opposition of paganism (which is what the 2520 is about) to the true worship of God.

- Question: Can a Waymark become a “type” for another Waymark farther down on the same Reformline? Answer: To do so breaks the logic of the “type-antitype” relationship. One Reformline can become a type of another Reformline (the Millerite Line is a type of the 144,000 line), but to have a “type-antitype” on the same Reformline breaks the logic, is illogical.

- “Tree of Life” (Omega group) claims there was no “glory” at 9/11, therefore it must be a “type” of the glory that will be seen at MN. Therefore also the 4th Angel of Rev. 18 didn’t descend on 9/11 but will appear at MN…. or if we don’t see the “glory” at MN then it will be at the SL, putting the attributes of 9/11 off farther down the Line of time.

- Compare the Great Controversy chapters 38-39 (Final Warning & Time of Trouble). Ch. 38 begins with the 2nd & 3rd Angels’ messages which is the empowerment of the 4th Angel of Rev. 18 (which is the Sunday Law); and Ch. 39 begins with the 3rd Angel’s message.

- For those who accuse of just “following man”, Dt. 18:18 says that God will put His words in man’s mouth, so we are not hearing man but God when the words are God’s words.

- When Parminder allegedly said “the Lines trump Scripture” the Omega people are wresting his meaning.

 - Anyone who shares God’s Word with another person, whether sharing a prophecy or not, even at the dinner table, becomes a de-facto “prophet” speaking in God’s name, but people get offended if you change from prophetic description to moral application. They become “jealous” (Ex. 20:5) which is the real underlying root problem with all of the current factions in this movement.

- To question the “established truths” associated with 9/11 from then until now is to “step off the platform” of established truths for this Present Truth movement.

- Much studying going on now, either to confirm what we have believed, or to unconfirm what we have believed.

- The questions under debate now (caused by “jealousy”) are 1) the nature of man, 2) is the SDA Church Babylon or not?, 3) the nature of inspiration [which is leading people to attack the proper understanding of the 2300-year prophecy].

 

1-27-18, Tyler at Lambert, A New Heart

- The 3-fold nature of man is intellectual (understanding & knowledge), moral (conscience & will), and physical (affections, lusts, desires, feelings, thoughts).

- Our body is “the house in which we live” (Kress Collection, 45). Therefore “we” is not our “body”.

- AH 127, “The lower passions have their seat in the body and work through it.” Therefore we are not to punish our body in order to get control of our “lower passions” or “animal propensities”.

- CG 446, a terrible admission to say you can’t overcome your lower passions. Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

- The intellectual and moral are the “higher powers”, and the physical is the “lower powers”.

- Need of self-discipline, the surrender of self, putting the “lower nature” under control of the “higher nature”.

- Satan is not a “puppet master”. He entices us to will to do what he suggests, but we can also will to deny him and to serve God.

- 2 MCP vol. 2. 691, “The Spirit of God does not propose to do our part, either in the willing or the doing. This is the work of the human agent in cooperating with the divine agencies. As soon as we incline our will to harmonize with God’s will, the grace of Christ stands to cooperate with the human agent; but it will not be the substitute to do our work independent of our resolving and decidedly acting.”

- 4MR 113.3, “Man can accomplish nothing without God, and God has arranged His plans so far as to accomplish nothing in the restoration of the human race without the cooperation of the human with the divine. The part man is required to sustain is immeasurably small, yet in the plan of God it is just that part that is needed to make the work a success.”

- Moses had to lift his rod to part the Red Sea, and the Israelites had to step into the Jordan to cross it.

- 12 MR 127, We should bear a positive testimony about the Christian life, but we have to choose to let God work through us.

- Ps. 51:10, “Create in me a clean heart O God, and renew a right spirit within me.”

- Eze. 36:25, The new heart was promised to us when the “sprinkling” began at 9/11. Do we believe it?

- SC 57-59, “The Test of Discipleship” (2 Cor. 5:17). Do we want to please Christ and represent Him in all things? To the converted heart duty becomes a delight, and sacrifice a pleasure, but the unconverted cannot originate or produce love.

- We are converted when Christ’s love conquers our “lower passions”, and we “do the right thing for the right reason”. Tyler defends Parminder’s statements in the classes that people take out of context to accuse him of moral relativism.

- Just having “lower passions” is not sin. Letting them have control of the “higher nature” is the sin.

- Satan suggests evil thoughts to us all, but when the thought is repulsed as wicked there is NO guilt incurred (but rather victory).

- Jesus was tempted on both the human level (needs bread for His appetite “lower passion”), and also on the divine level (make it from stones). He could have used His divinity to fulfill the needs of His “lower passions”, but He chose not to.

- Adam had no tendencies to evil, but fell. Jesus had whatever “tendency” to evil that we have, but did not fall by yielding to His “lower passions”. Jesus “had the strength of the passion of humanity” {ST November 21, 1892, par. 8}.

- 5BC 1130, Christ had human needs like we all do.

- Adam & Eve were tempted when they were still perfect, so the sin was not in being tempted, but in giving in to the temptation.

 

 

1-13-18, Jeff at Lambert, Righteousness

- There are two camps; “sin as choice only”, and “sin as choice, plus our fallen condition”.

- The Good News is that if sin is a choice then you can be free of it right now (by the decision of your own free will), but if sin is your condition then you can never get free from it and its guilt in this life.

- Jones & Waggoner in 1888 had the “Good News” about victory over sin right now by your choice, however you must have the righteousness of Christ in you first.

- Our right-doing “springs from” the righteousness of Christ in us.

- The Judgment is all about our character, and our character is revealed by our actions-works. Therefore if we do right because it IS right, it is not saving ourselves by our works, but the expression of our character.

- 5T 310 , “If the thoughts are wrong the feelings will be wrong, and the thoughts and feelings combined make up the moral character.”

- Though Jesus was 1/3 the size of “perfect” Adam yet He was “perfect” enough to be a “perfect” sin offering as per the sacrificial types.

- After 4000 years of sin Jesus had every “propensity” to sin that all other humans have, but never acted out one of them.

- The “flesh” can tempt the mind but the mind can choose not to gratify the flesh.

- Rom. 14:23, whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

- 1 Jn. 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

- James 4:17  Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

- 1 Jn. 5:17  All unrighteousness is sin.

- Ps. 51:5, “I was shapen in iniquity” must still fit the definition of sin as a choice.

- ST March 3, 1890, par. 3, “In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning.”

- Rom. 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

- 1 Jn. 1:7, the blood of Jesus “cleanseth us from ALL sin”, at the time when we believe it, not sometime off in the future.

- Heb. 11:1, the “things not seen” = the Reformlines.

- Ex. 3:14, “I AM THAT I AM” may be also rendered “I AM WHAT I AM”, which reflects both God’s existence and also His character, and “what” God “is”, is love.

- To misunderstand “what” God “is”, is to follow “another god” and have a false, pagan religion in one’s own heart & mind.

- A.T. Jones; To “forgive” sins = to “give for” sins, and all that God can give for sins is His own righteousness, which is perfect righteousness.

- To lightly ask for forgiveness without real repentance (as a Laodicean) is to refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to take us to the point of putting our sin out of our life.

- “Righteousness” is compared to “sweetness”. One does not “do” righteousness to be righteous as one does not “do” sweetness to be sweet. You must “be” sweet before you can “do” sweetness, therefore we must “be” righteous in Christ before we can “do” righteousness… right acts, because even right acts without the righteousness of Christ is still sin (whatever [even right acts] is not of faith is sin).